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2008.10.30

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"More and more frequently, however, lesser artists merely cobble together handfuls of blog-friendly trends in order to find themselves recipients of hype disproportional to their talents. In the last couple of months, Deerhunter, No Age, The Ruby Suns, Times New Viking, Department of Eagles, and just about every band with Crystal in their name have benefited from that strategy."

Except Deerhunter, No Age, and (especially) Times New Viking are all responsible for making their respective "trends" "blog-friendly". What prominent blogs were going nuts over barely-recorded Clean / Swell Maps homages before Matador picked up TNV?

You have some good things to say, and generally say them well; it's a shame you devalue that with ill-informed kneejerk contrarianism.

Marty, I'm in no way trying to dogpile you here, but it seems to me you're always looking to the fringe. Sometimes the conventional stuff works. If I were to make a playlist of my favorite songs of the decade, several from this year that would spring to mind are Jack Johnson's "Angel," Al Green's "Lay It Down," Nas's "Queens Get the Money," and T.I.'s "Swagger Like Us." I'd also include at least one from Brian Wilson's "That Lucky Old Sun," but I'm not sure which.

Why does it always have to be stuff no one's ever heard of? Pitchfork is always doing that shit and people hate them - with good reason.

I think your points on the Internet's relationship with musicians are all really strong, but your strengths get lost when you play the Pitchfork elitist game. Or like Garrett says, "[y]ou have some good things to say, and generally say them well; it's a shame you devalue that with ill-informed kneejerk contrarianism."

BTW - If you have to have some "look how cool I am because no one's ever heard of this shit" music on your list, why not talk about how awesome The Cool Kids or Jay Electronica are? Why's it always got to be, "I'mma hate everything popular and then hate some obscure shit to really rub it in?"

Garrett,

Yo, I get that Deerhunter, TNV, and No Age are all at the forefront of their respective sub-genres. I buy that (except for Bradley Cox, who I generally believe is indie-rock's Ryan Adams--prolific as hell, but can't write a fully-formed song.) Each of those artists shares a similar formula with their music: 80's hardcore/90's indie influence + drone/distortion. Times New Viking and No Age in particular are attached to scenes--"Shitgaze" has received as much press as TNV has; Pitchfork's Nouns review focused more on The Smell than the music. Blogs have gotten predictable, and so has the music they promote (with some exceptions, which I'll talk about next week.)

I think your "kneejerk contrarian" assessment may have been a bit kneejerky itself. I won't argue that those bands don't have their merits, but the actual quality of songwriting on each of their recent albums just doesn't hold up to their influences--and I think one of the reasons for that is because blogs and music websites, in their desire to be the first to discover new artists, are willing to give them a pass on underdeveloped material. Those bands are preaching to the choir.

Kenny,

I can understand why you would think that, but I'm sure Tucker would tell you that my taste leans firmly toward accessable pop music. That just happens to be in short supply these days. I ran through iTunes' Top 10 a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find a single that was truly awesome--and I love T.I., and I'm pretty fond of some Britney and Xtina singles. Right now, though, it's a wasteland.

In terms of popular music, there's not a song out right now that's even close to "Crazy" or "I Get Money" or "Int'l Players Anthem" or "Real Talk" or "Lip Gloss" or "Paper Planes" or "Ignorant Shit" or "Dashboard" or "You Know I'm No Good" or any of the other stuff that has rocked my shit the last couple of years--"Swagger Like Us" may hinge on a great idea, but it's incredibly under-developed. (Jeff Weiss puts it much better than I could here: http://passionweiss.com/2008/09/03/the-dull-competence-of-tis-swagger-like-us/). Last week my favorite single was by Busta Rhymes.
As for The Cool Kids and Jay Electronica, I'm not that impressed. That might change, but that's where I'm at now.

Look, the reason I'm writing this particular column (and, trust me, in Part 2 I'ma get positive) is because I am so tired of slamming shit every week, but I can't find a whole lot out there worth praising.

Marty,

Sorry if I was harsh. I think I was being a bit hypocritical; I started out with an actual; criticism and by the time I was done writing, it turned into, "If you don't start appreciating music, I'll rip your ears off!" lol I'm sorry.

I'm still standing by Johnson's "Angel," though! It's just a simple song that's beautiful.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Part 2!

I'll follow up and say that yeah, if anybody wants to punch somebody in the "hate what's popular and listen to machinefabriek b-sides only" gut, i'll be the mommy. Marty's a freak for the popular, but he can usually convince me with wily argument.

there is one thing that i thought was huh for a second when i read this, which was that marty said he only had 992 '08 tracks. the fuck? i've got 1808. muthafucka need to be getting some autechre and brooklyn after dark. fill that nipod up real quick.

And i'm sick of blog-ready or whatever bands trying to jack my drone for their crap indie-rock albums. Keep the drone pure, or don't touch that shit.

Kenny,

Dude, you're like my biggest supporter. I would only take your comments in the best light. And I may even check out "Angel" because of you.

Tucker,

I think it's possible that you just emasculated me and made me feel good about it. Tongue kisses for you my friend!

Marty,

Awwww, thanks! Honestly, you turn me on to soooo much good music, that when I read you getting negative, it's like - what hope do I have to find good stuff? lol If you can't find anything good, then I need to start looking into nooses for my musical taste....

Angel is good because it's just *really* simple. In my opinion, if you're going the minimalist route, then you really have to have the chops because there's nothing to hide behind.

Also, I was trying to think of something that really grabbed me this morning on my way to work, and I thought of something! Mark Ronson & Rhymefest's "Man in the Mirror" mixtape! In my opinion, it's Mark Ronson finally taking the gloves off and really giving his full on attention and it's just solid from top to bottom!

I've gotta say Martin, I think you're pretty much spot on with your assessment of the current music scene.
I've felt utterly uninspired by this year's releases (with a couple of exceptions that I'll get to). Most of the albums I've loved this year have been releases from last year that I missed at the time (Architecture in Helsinki, Future of the Left, Burial).
The one album that's becoming a stone cold classic from the early part of this year is the Neon Neon album, but things are nonetheless starting to look up a little.
The Evil Nine album grabbed me immediately, the Fujiya & Miyagi album's pretty cool, and the new albums from Kings of Leon & Bloc Party are growing on me with every listen, particularly the latter, as they have truly evolved their sound.

I've gotta say Martin, I think you're pretty much spot on with your assessment of the current music scene.
I've felt utterly uninspired by this year's releases (with a couple of exceptions that I'll get to). Most of the albums I've loved this year have been releases from last year that I missed at the time (Architecture in Helsinki, Future of the Left, Burial).
The one album that's becoming a stone cold classic from the early part of this year is the Neon Neon album, but things are nonetheless starting to look up a little.
The Evil Nine album grabbed me immediately, the Fujiya & Miyagi album's pretty cool, and the new albums from Kings of Leon & Bloc Party are growing on me with every listen, particularly the latter, as they have truly evolved their sound.

Hey thanks, Chris.

I have to admit that I've slept on the Neon Neon album (although one of our other TFO writers is rumored to be a big fan.) In a couple of days, hopefully I'll give you a couple more corners to go scratching in.

blues created velvet underground and bob dylan. no wave/early punk created sonic youth nirvana modest mouse pavement and radiohead. Experimentation is necessary. In a time like this, where everything is killed seemingly before it has a chance to stand(mainly by ADD blogs but also gone to shit for money publications like rolling stone and spin pretending to know whats what but never covering anything important or risky), things will still evolve into something else and form anew. while i agree that the music scene is a fuckin mess, it has produced some amazing stuff. deerhunter animal collective arcade fire and grizzly bear are all making incredible music in my mind. messes always produce beauty in time.

I definitely understand not liking any of the three bands I pointed out, and finding them to be uninspired. And my defense of Deerhunter is at least partially just rooting for the home team. Still, it's inaccurate to suggest No Age or Times New Viking were courting Pitchfork or music bloggers with their recent records. They both started off making music that was thoroughly out of fashion, have remained consistent to themselves in the wake of success, and can't be blamed for the press constructing stupid lifestyle or scene pieces around them.

Anyway, yeah, I generally like your music column here, even if I don't always agree with you.

Oh, and Tucker, you can listen to Pocahaunted and Double Leopards all you want, as long there are still bands that sound like Cheap Trick recorded through an adding machine.

Oh, I've been meaning to check out Double Leopards, because I'm a big fan of the Religious Knives album, they have some kind of connection. Pocahaunted looks like hippy shit though. Fucking sandals and socks.

Somebody besides Andre or Marty, meaning me, should point out that when the two of those guys actually get to the arguing part of the discussion, it's pretty fucking legendary.

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