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The best part about Warlord #1 is that they did the exact same thing two years ago with another team. I think Bart Sears drew it.

Nobody read it then, either.

The last relaunch of Warlord was the first DC or Marvel comic at our store that literally NO ONE bought or read.

"more to the oft-depressing nature of serialized comics that two men, who could clearly be doing something more interesting, are instead stuck with yet another trip down the "a whole lot of killin' that needs to be done" road."

With that sentence, I've realized you have a much more positive outlook on comics than I do. I'm not happy either that people who are too talented for what is essentially a contracted going through the motions job are stuck in that job because of the screwed up economics of comics. On the other hand, I don't think the fault lies in the medium so much as it does with a customer base who's shown time and time again they'd rather buy the contract job work as opposed to original work.

As for what DC is doing, it looks like they're managing for the margins. It's just weird to see a company with the resources they have market the cheapest books possible so they can maximize their returns from the average of 30,000 copies sold a month, but hey, it's how they choose to do things.

You know what's funny? Really, REALLY funny, and not in a hysterical way, but a good way? There are actually a few of us out there who have looked forward to the return of The Warlord. Who read The Warlord when it first came out, and followed Mike Grell's run on the series, and even continued with it after Grell left. And we continued reading comics long after Warlord was canceled. And we're not nostalgia-searching fanatics; heck, no, we've grown and grown educated and are enduring jobs that will last us well past retirement...and suddenly there's a new Warlord comic, written by Mike Grell, that isn't gonna sell diddley, and it's gonna be read and scrutinized and criticized and disposed of by others, others more into the current comic book industry than us old-timers will ever be again. But it doesn't matter. Because The Warlord is back, and Mike Grell is on it, and we're happy about that. Really, REALLY happy about that. Isn't that funny? And with that, I'll go away.

I think I'm just going to keep reading Warlord for your sake Kingman. I might even start liking it. You got the kind of passion I can get behind, and I'm not kidding. Someday we're going to agree on a comic, and not just in a "we both thought it was tolerable" way, and that's a day I'm looking forward to. You got some FIRE in you brother!

And Kenny, anytime somebody is able to see through to my shiny optimist heart, that just tells me I better get back in the sewer pile to hide it. That's my private place. Are you in my house right now?

i love grell's warlord. my uncle used to stick a rolled up copy in my mouth while reaming my ten year old ass.

If Battle for the Cowl is good enough for Big Bang Theory, it should be good enough for you.

You know what's funny? If Mike Grell were on the run from the mob, and he somehow found a way to hide from the mobsters by dressing up in women's clothing. And maybe he teamed up with a rapping grandma and, like, a baby who could say cuss words. You know, like to symbolize the various stages of life? Cussing baby, transvestite, rapping grandma-- like some kind of rad black-comedy critique of the Ascent of Man.

I would find that very entertaining.

"a meat-grinder Wolverine story that was tolerable, if completely free of ambition,"

I remember reading an interview with Aaron when he talked about that Chaykin one-shot. He wanted to brainstorm ideas on how to tell a compelling one-shot story, but Chaykin was too busy drinking and told him to go fuck off and to just "write the fucking wolverine".

Well, Tucker, I was thinking about this stuff and is Jason Aaron talented? Yes, he is. Look at his Wikipedia page, though, and most of it is work for hire even though he gives the general impression he has a lot of unique things to say. It's not Aaron's fault, because he's just trying to get a paycheck, which I think makes sense. But where you and I differ is you seem to think it's the fault of serialized comics in general, whereas I think it's with a customer base who largely only wants to buy work for hire.

With me, I don't think it's the fault of someone like Jim who obviously loves Warlord or guys like the Funnybook Babylon crew who love superheroes, but the "babymen" who won't let go of the stories they read 20-30 years ago much like you see on John Byrne's message board. I think they're the problem, but to me, that's more pessimistic than your outlook, which seems to be the comic industry is just a few steps away from turning it all around. (For example, if Jason Aaron had more opportunity to write something unique.)

BTW - What's your opinion on Kirkman's output? I never see you talk about him at all.

BTW - Why I say guys like the Byrne message board people is because those guys always seem to advocate treating fictional characters like they're real people or insisting on a return to comics exactly like the comics from their youth. They don't seem to be interested in what an individual creator has to say so much as is that guy saying what was said 30 years ago or not.

(Once again, compare that against Warlord, and it's not the same, because Warlord has been mostly the voice of Mike Grell. If Mike Grell chooses to say something new or repeat what he said 30 years ago, it's understandable, because it's the same guy.)

I was waiting for "rimjobbing" or "santorum-spreading", but I had to settle for children being given herpes.

By the way, I feel sad that we've apparently destroyed Kenny's optimism. It seems like just the other day that he was complaining about the term "babymen" and enthusing about Mark Millar, and now he's in the same pessimistic camp as the rest of us. Just read some manga, Ken; that should cheer you up.

The only Kirkman I've spent any time with is Walking Dead and Ultimate X-Men. I like Walking Dead, but I wonder how much of that is tangled up in just liking the concept of a zombie movie that never ends. It is his baby though, so credit due. Ultimate X-Men though--that shit was awful.

Oh wait, he wrote that Destroyer thing from last week. That was fine.

On the babymen stuff--well kenny, I don't know. i think the audience is guilty of getting the comics they deserve, sure, but at the same time...that audience isn't the ones who write the comics, except for JLA, apparently. And these guys and gals aren't in sweatshops anymore, it's up to them to do good shit. Guys like Brubaker prove it can be done both on the creator owned and the super-hero--hell, even though I'm not much of a fan, so does Millar. Good art will find it's own audience eventually, even if it's a Fletcher Hanks thing down the line. As much as it sucks when people are complaining that something like RASL gets ignored, fuck--people will probably end up tracking down RASL in another twenty years. I don't think the same is going to happen with The Mighty Avengers. Sometimes you just gotta be patient. Crazy will out--so will shit.

Any idea when Power Pack Noir is coming out? The only thing that could possibly top that would be a Criminal Noir series with zombie variants. Tracy Lawless would make a pretty badass zombie.

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