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2009.04.19

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I think that the reason comics like "REBELS" don't really work for me is because I WAS 16 for the first time ever not that long ago. So comics that make me think of my childhood are like...Maus.

The point being that there are a myriad of psychological reasons why I'm reading, and wish to someday write, superhero comics, and they probably have to do with my childhood, but it's too close for me to analyze.

...What were we talking about?

Yeah, it might help to have some background stuff for REBELS, but Andy Clarke's style is a turn-on for me, so maybe I'm just crazy. It's like that McNiven guy, except 90% less scowling.

I like Andy Clarke too, I'm just too young to have any nostalgia for the 90's. It's like, "Oh yeah, that time where I wasn't ten years old yet".

I tried reading it and found it just kind of...not really anything in particular. I won't begrudge you your REBELS if you won't begrudge me my Alex Ross.

That Captain America cover is what someone would draw if they had to illustrate a Kris Kristofferson song after one listen.

When Nina was picking her comic for Virgin Read, she glanced at the Cap cover and said "I'm not reading about some girl in a Captain America wheelchair".

Oh Chris: no deal. I begrudge Alex Ross fans with all my heart. You'll just have to suck it up and be mad at me for liking Rebels.

Man, this is weird. I just got done rewatching Long Kiss Goodnight, which features David Morse (along with Geena Davis, Samuel Jackson, and Stryker from X-Men 2), for the first time since I was twelve years old.

Protip: it sucks.

Well...I...

:-(

Y'know I kind of think of Wolverine like Jughead comics - it's one story and you pick it up when you want to read that one story. And dude, Chris - liking Alex Ross isn't 90s nostalgia? Long Kiss Goodnight - Shane Black made the most money off that film, and it's the worst thing with his name on it. There's a lesson there. Also Bierko sucks.

I don't think Alex Ross is specifically 90's enough to be considered 90's nostalgia, in the same way liking Judas Priest isn't really 70's nostalgia.

Can I quickly inquire what the beef is with Alex Ross? I'm just sort of curious.

I can't speak for Tucker, but the usual complaints mention his stiff and over-posed figure work, the doughy and overly realistic characters, the staggeringly boring action scenes, and drab and boring covers. JSA has had something like 20 covers of geriatric heroes on a black background with soft lighting. He has this way of sapping all of the life out of these very vibrant heroes.

That's setting aside his Old Comics Fetish, in which Hal Jordan and Barry Allen are the One True Flash/Green Lantern. I mean, the guy was a member of HEAT, wasn't he? Or just as fervent?

Beyond everything that David just said - if you've ever seen Alex Ross' non-referenced sketches, you know that he's spent his entire career squandering a legitimate talent because he wants his shit to look "realistic".

He's just a massive DCU fanboy too, in the worst way possible. In the way that the guy in your shop who looks at you funny when you ask about manga, and tries to start a conversation about James Robinson.

Chris, if it makes you feel better, I like Alex Ross's work. I agree that his unreferenced sketches show a lot of wasted talent, and I think he's kinda a jerk, but for the most part, I like his work. I've really enjoyed the Project Superheroes stuff a lot.

Speaking of which, if we're going to have a discussion on wasted talent, I have two words - Phil Hester. I was just flipping through comics at the shop last week and I saw he's writing and drawing the Masquerade mini that's part of the Project Superheroes thing. I'm kinda sad Hester work seems to fall through the cracks so much.

No, I mean like, I don't really CARE that you guys don't like Alex Ross since, the dude's own personality aside, I couldn't disagree more on the points that people apparently make against him. I can respect why people don't like him, I just actually love his work SO MUCH.

That's probably another childhood thing, since Kingdom Come was one of the first comics I ever owned, but-

HEY! I guess it is kind of nostalgia thing! Whaddaya know!

The trick, the lesson, the goal is to have the comics that make you feel 16, and have the comics that make you feel the age you are now (for all the right reasons). Then you rule the world. And sorry, Tucker, dagnabbit, but I cursed through my entire twenties, mostly at everybody else, and I am SO done with that. But please interpret "dagnabbit" as any swear word you'd like.

I'd probably burn any comic that made me feel like I was 16. Being 16 fucking sucked.

Oh, AERose, if it was 18/19, i'd totally be with you. But 16--man, dreams came true, my dad shot the dog, i had a chevy blazer....god, it was pretty much carnival music 24/7.

Jim, you and I could have the most rock solid television show ever. Just raw uncut for 22 minutes, all commercials piled in at the end, each episode a fistfight and a hug. "You like Barry Allen? I GOTCHER BARRY ALLAN RIGHT HERE IN MY POCKET"

Alex Ross is the Norman Rockwell of superhero comics, if Rockwell used the same three poses in every painting.

Actually, I don't mind Ross too much, and occasionally I see an image that's pretty cool, but for every one of those, he's got ten pictures of some costumed dude or other standing there with his arms crossed and a smirk on their face. I've seen enough of that, thanks.

Oh, and that Justice series, which I didn't read, seemed pretty funny, as if Ross wanted to take Superfriends so, so seriously. There was one bit I saw in which all the heroes dressed up in action-figure robot costumes that was fucking hilarious.

Kenny, Phil Hester isn't doing the interior artwork on Project: Superpowers. And do you think that his creator-owned work is a waste of his talent?

Oh yeah, I was going to say something in defense of Phil Hester. He's pretty great, although I think I like his writing better than his art. Artwise, he kind of looks like a lesser Mike Mignola, or a greater Michael Avon Oeming, which isn't bad, but nothing too special. But writing, from what I've read, is pretty great, at least on books like The Coffin and Deep Sleeper. A couple years ago at Wizard World Chicago, I told both him and Mike Huddleston (who illustrated both of those) that I thought they should do more work like that together, and they both said they wanted to, if they could get paid for it. So, it looks like they're stuck doing gigs for DC. Damn, isn't that what we were complaining about last week?

well you should be happy to know that Clarke is off the book for the next few months, but he will be back.

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