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2009.09.21

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Your review of Brave & the Bold reminded me that I've never seen Saving Private Ryan.

"Ask yourself: can you handle this, you masturbating blood soaked comics reader?"

But but but it's that icky manga business with the schoolgirls and speed lines and things! It can't possible be as good as this! It has kirby dots and gore!

That Archie review was one of the funniest things I've read on this site, and that's saying quite a bit.

I gotta say, though, I found the Batman issue to be a pretty wonderful satire. And who else but Grant Morrison would feature a tiny panel with a flesh-eating villain named the Flamingo screaming "EEEIIIII" inside of a private pink jet as it flew along?

Lotsa talking about babymaking this week. If Nina is in a family way, you're leaking the information sideways.

Repo Man's soundtrack is the greatest album ever, right?

Bruce Jones? The guy who did all that stuff for Warren and some halfway decent Ka-Zar and a Rip in Time with Richard Corben? (Which was, officially, the greatest thing ever.)

I... I don't see where you're going with this. Did Batman have big, beautiful, fuck-off awesome dinosaurs just eating the crap out of everybody?

Ann Nocenti worked obligatory Inferno and Acts of Vengeance crossovers into her run. The Acts of Vengeance story - wherein Dr. Doom rebuilds Ultron and sends him to kill Daredevil - as actually one of the highlights of her run. Doom screws up the programming on Ultron and instead of the normal killer robot, his version is a multiple personality robot who tries to build a new religion or something out of his former heads. It was weird-ass shit, but awesome.

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You could have put a spoiler warning on how babies are made, you know.

I gotta read those Nocenti Daredevils.

The Inferno crossover was really good, too. It came right in the middle of the Typhoid Mary stuff, too. It goes from Daredevil completely losing it over Mary and getting thoroughly destroyed to him waking up in a Hell-infected New York City. It feels almost like she planned it.

Two more things about the Inferno arc- one, the next to last issue is a Ditko throwback story that has nothing to do with Inferno. Total inventory story, but a huge "Whoa, what?" when reading.

Second, after Daredevil spends an entire issue fighting demons and having a demon give a Garth Ennis Life Sucks Welcome To New York, You Bastard while Daredevil beats the tar out of him... DD goes to a bar and a guy hands him a beer like "Rough day? Buy you a beer? How about a toast? To New York, greatest city in the world!"

And Daredevil smiles.

Killer comics. Marvel needs to hook up a Nocenti omnibus.

Hit the nail on the head w/ the B+R review there, Tucker. Dude's going tone deaf.

"Like Ennis, Moore or Miller, you could pick Grant's work out of a blindfolded line-up--good or bad, they were different, they were personal, they were his."

I would add a few more names to that list - Millar, Ellis, and Gaiman - but yeah, you pretty much hit the point there. There aren't many guys who write comics in a distinct voice.

I didn't know Supergirl was going the cute route. That's *awesome*! It's about time a superhero comic tried something other than over the top drama.

I'll third that Inferno issue. If I remember it right (which might not be the case), she keeps Daredevil at arm's length, and shifts the POV to bystanders, so it makes the "demons invading New York fighting a guy in a devil costume" premise-- it gives it a little zazz. Plus, JrJr was in my favorite phase of his career around there and that first X-men run-- past the rough early stuff, but much rawer than the stuff now, less pretty.

"it's one of those panels with hearts exploding out of a closed door"

I thought that said *closet* door at first, like the love scene was some kind of kinked-out metaphor. So, now I'm a little disappointed Archie didn't impregnate Veronica inside of a closet. That's how I get to spend my day.

I'm pretty sure Tucker is referring to the Bruce Jones who wrote that awful Hulk run around 2001, and took over Checkmate after Greg Rucka, and probably did some other shitty stuff. And hell, maybe it's the same guy, but Tucker was still referring to the later version of him.

Ha ha ha, that Spider-Man cover is hilarious; at first glance, I thought somebody drew a really fucked-up off-model version of him. Actually, I suppose they did, but on purpose. Also, I get confused because the guy in the heart on the lower right looks like James Franco, but he can't be Harry Osborne, because he's over there on the left with his stupid hair (which, by the way, needs to stop already. Just because Ditko drew it like that back in the 60s doesn't mean you can't make him look like a real human now. And quit with the dumb-ass jokes too. This week's New Avengers has like four different characters calling Norman Osborne "Brillo-head" or some dumb shit like that. Just stop). Is the other guy supposed to be Peter? And I would ask if I should care, but I obviously should not.

Yeah, that guy Matt's talking about. Did Jones do other, awesome comics that I haven't read--probably. He had some neat tricks in his first few Hulk books too, although I think everybody hated that comic? But he's done nothing but generic let's-get-grungy since.

And that's B&R 4 for me, pretty much. It's a new Azrael vs. Prodigal Punisher Red Hood team-up crossover, and I just don't really give a shit about the Gmo jokes. Damian's still great, I'd read a morrison Damian comic in a second. But the rest can just go away forever. Moore's right in that interview--there's so little newness on the bone in some of these things, and Soldiers, Seaguy--there was newness in those comics. They thrived on it, and it filled me up. Even FC had some choice bits, amass the sea of cliches and navel-gazing Kirby approximations. This--i've read it a hundred times before. It wasn't good when Barry Kitson drew it, and it's not good with Tan drawing it now. I like that Chris likes it. He should, because Chris isn't me, and he's not buried in a stack of Bat-memories of Adams and Aparo that clang across the page everytime he reads one of these things. There's a lot of people that dig this comic, and I'm glad they do. Like--that Archie comic? If you like that, you got fucking problems. You gotta get fucking help if you like that shit, because there's panels in that comic where they actually draw Veronica's eyes sliding off her face.

B&R4? I can get behind digging that. It makes sense to me that people would. I don't. So what?

About the Moore interview - yes!! He was absolutely right - there is not much new under the sun in superhero comics. Wednesday Comics - I'll admit, I don't get the appeal, but at least Charillo(?) is trying something new by getting interesting people to riff on superhero comics in different ways. (I changed my tune on Wed Comics after talking with Lugh & Matt.) I was sent the FCBD Blackest Night comic with a book I ordered last night and as I was reading it, it just seemed so similar to everything before it. Once you divorce yourself from caring about the characters - I think you do that by not having a clue about current continuity they're referring to - it just reads like a generic "this is bad, this is really, really bad" brooding comic. I read a bunch of those already, I'm bored by those now.

I was telling a friend recently say what you want about the Kirkman/ Larsen school of comics, but at least they're fun and different from everything else out there. Continuity from 25+ issues ago is maybe acknowledged with a wink and a nod, if at all, and the stories just sort of rocket along like the best of the Silver Age.

I could go on about this topic forever....

Well, I dunno . . . continuity is actually really thick on the ground in Savage Dragon. I mean, I've been reading since pretty much the series started, and *I* have trouble keeping track of all the different Stars and where Mako was at what point, etc etc.

Much as I love Leinil Yu, the guy sure draws a hell of a lot of guys shooting guns in that same pose.

(I'm only assuming it's Yu doing MK that cover, of course, but... still)

Hey Tim,

I've only read like 3 issues of Savage Dragon, so I could be all wet on that one. From what I read, I just assumed it was like Invincible in that the book might give a nod towards something from a long time ago, but the vast majority of an issue is concerned with something from maybe 3 issues back. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, I was just trying to find more examples of superhero comics that aren't always mining the past.

I'll out myself as one of those people who liked the beginning of Bruce Jones's Hulk run. I know, I know, everyone hated it, but it was the last time I can remember it fuck knows how long that the Hulk seemed to have anything remotely to do with anything I recognize as "the Hulk" - a scientist on the run who turns into a big horrible monster when he gets mad, as opposed to a giant Peter David surrogate with muscles, or a big green Conan knock-off. I'll freely admit that his run genuinely turned to shit about a third of the way through - and that might be a generous estimation there.

I think Morrison needs to take a break, quit in-continuity superhero comics for a while - or maybe just quit them, period - and get back to the kind of good, weird shit he was putting out earlier in the decade. Seaguy and The Filth are still two of my favorite comics, and I'd like to think he can still produce more like that.

Tucker, tell me if I'm wrong, but are you implying that I like Batman and Robin #4 because I have nothing better to compare it to?

Also, I don't think anyone got offended that you didn't like the issue. Hell, if I got offended every time I disagreed with you on something I'd never, ever come to this site because I'd just constantly be furious. I come here because you're ridiculously funny and, when it's your aim to be so, insightful. I actually LIKED the first issue of Mighty Avengers when it came out and your review for it literally had me laughing so hard that I couldn't breathe.

Maybe some buttmunch will come around every now and again to complain about your opinions, but I don't think any of them were in this thread. Least of all myself.

Chris--no, i thought about how that comment sounded later. No, not at all. The general rule with me is that saying "something was better before, people should read that" is sort of akin to old people complaining about how things were cheaper, or marching-in-snow-to-school. It's retarded bullshit, means nothing.

What I meant, or intended to mean without writing it, is that there's a general difference in the way somebody who hasn't just inhaled years and years of Batman comics (good/bad/banal) and somebody, like you, who hasn't. It's not that I know more--I don't--it's that I've just eaten more hot dogs, and there's not a lot of flavors of hot dogs in the first place. Some people are going to say that they view B&R as an independent comic that exists right now with no other gods before it, that they don't compare it to other stuff. Maybe they can pull that off? I find that's sort of a lie. I come at B&R having grown up with Morrison comics, having read more Batman than I have any other character/comic.

The whole "whether you're offended or not"--nah, i don't give a shit about any of that. People who get offended because of disagreements with reviews--those people are fucking space case morons, they should all be drowned in a bucket of water in front of their parents. In front of their spouses, parents and children if it's because of reviews on the internet.

Are Billy and Phillip Tan really related? I'd wondered about that before. I guess there's a shitty art gene.

Not that it's worth anything, but twenty seconds on Wikipedia says no. According to the unreliable hivemind, Philip Tan is from the Philipines, while Billy Tan is from Malaysia.

Close enough

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