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Well I'm interested in having another look at it. I always saw that comic as a parallel to those Clive Barker Hellraiser cardboard cover comics. Far as the 90's go the best representation of a Batman world existing as detective stories is the tv series Seinfeld. Which is simply the four most popular Batman villain characters. In a behind the scenes out of costume mass hysteria. Mass culture doesn't fathom this as it's more like Oprah saying George is the most famous loser. Totally missing the point George is not a loser but a slimy New Yorker. Very much Penguin. These days the only creative thing of interest is the big thick now reissued parody Batman book. As to ignore the interaction between product and consumer misses the curve's power.... In regard to Moore mowing the lawn. I just assumed he was from the same school as H.R. Giger, letting the weeds grow to enjoy the randomness. But who knows, his missus does have style so she probably gets him to pay some local kid to do it.

Kramer’s Two-Face…?

When Tucker says some of the most interesting Batman comics are from the pre-Miller years, is he talking about that whole era that was written by Doug Moench, that went back and forth between Batman and Detective Comics, and had (seemingly) pretty solid art, by Gene Colan, Don Newton, Alfredo Alcala, etc? I haven't read any of that stuff but was interested in them recently, having seen scans of some Newton/Alcala pages I thought looked great, and knowing the printed versions would have Adrienne Roy colors. I don't think any of that time period is reprinted but it's probably all available digitally. But I'm unsure if that's specifically what he's talking about, or if the interest he's talking about is more historical than as a reading experience. The annotations highlight the Gulacy two-parter towards the end of that era which is probably more of a stand-alone story than the rest of it.

Hope you guys do get around to the Grant/Alcatena Clayface two-parter. I remember that as a pair of comics where Alan Grant tries to sell, as hard as he possibly can, the idea that meeting Clayface for the first time would really fuck you up for a while.

"Kramer’s Two-Face…?" Yeah Mat if you want, there's no strict rules to it. Everyone is against them like it's a purgatory before Hell. A fever dream in the Asylum. I'd go Newman as Two-Face and Kramer as Joker. Elaine as Catwoman and Jerry the Riddler. I'm only going on those four as most well known from my limited exposure to the franchise, as a kid in Australia. Dunno why but not till I got older did Two-Face even register to me. I mostly just say this as the Jim Aparo drawings felt like they could be drawn covering a Seinfeld episode. Great corridors and especially doorways.

Glenn - alright, gotcha. I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I think you have an intriguing idea and I'd be interested to watch a couple episodes with it in mind.

Brian - a lot of those Colan/Moench comics were reprinted in a "Tales of the Batman" hardcover a while ago. Those have super glossy paper and generally feature pretty bad remastered colors... but there you go.

Greg - I want to do an ep on the clayface LOTDK for sure. You're dead on, it's off-putting in a way no other Clayface comics really are, and Alcatena's rendering of the character is just so ridiculously far beyond anything anyone else has done in both solidity and grotesquerie. Really terrific stuff. Now we just gotta think of a good guest star to talk about it!

Mat-Yeah I got that I didn't think you were being a jerk. They do tend to switch around and Kramer is that. I wouldn't comment otherwise being this the horseman media outlet actually worth listening to. Hence I'd wanna try and join in to be funny. Nothing more stupid to be a foreigner and pick at another countries culture, even if that culture spreads Lovecraftian ( such things are best left exploring in one's art ).Especially the asylum's name being such a clear Lovecraftian reference. The Riddler's obsession with Superman. The New Yorker cartoons etc. If anything it's just a familiarity to the West tv show. What Seinfeld does ( I'm sorry nothing worse than yakking about that show anywhere ) is progress from Brady Bunch first showing a married couple in bed. To Jerry and co using the toilet and talking about still then 'groundbreaking' subjects such as masturbation. All that is really just a stepping stone to the big money extravaganza which is ( especially in the social consent vehicle of American tv ) The Big Band Theory sit com. That show is full of references to Jack Parsons on a much larger scale than Seinfeld as humanizing Batman's villains.

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